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Post by StardoostLegend on Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:42 am

Okay, it seems like everyone knows how I duel with my best deck and even other decks. You guys predict my WHOLE turns, and you can even most of the time guess what my backrow is!!!!! what do you guys do when people are starting to get the hang of your strategy, and how do you make new strategies for your decks?

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Post by Flint on Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:10 pm

Rank 4 game isn't something that is new to the Yu-Gi-Oh scene; but what makes Heraldics stand out from the rest is that Heraldics have some of the best rank 4 toolboxing and graveyard recovery in the game. It would be easier to give advice if we can see your deck profile of your Heraldics. If you want people to not predict what you're going to do, you might want to change up the deck or make a drastically differently variant Heraldics.

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Re: I really DESPERATELY need new heraldic deck strategies...

Post by StardoostLegend on Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:51 pm

well here is my current build
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plz don't copy this x_x


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Post by Flint on Sat Jan 10, 2015 4:01 pm

Trust me I won't copy it. I have my own variants of Heraldic that are more rationally put together than your build. It doesn't really look like you put much thought into this build. Heraldic Beast Basilisk is completely useless along with Heraldic Beast Eale; further more I don't see why you're even running Heraldic Beast Eale when Heraldic Beast Amphisbaena does pretty much the same thing but better since it offers a discard outlet to dump any Heraldic Beast you'd need in the graveyard. I don't see the reason for the random Rank-Up-Magic - The Seventh One since the only way to put it on the top of your deck is Lavalval Chain which you only have 1 of in the main deck.

I've mentioned before that Heraldics have some of the best rank 4 toolboxing but you've seem to neglect that by stuffing the extra deck with multiple copies of cards that either should not be their in the first place or are not needed in multiple copies. I see you're also running the Psychic variant of Heraldics which to each their own but I don't see why you need more than 2 copies of each of the Heraldic themed Xyz monsters. I think you should cut down a lot of cards from the main and extra deck to give the deck more consistency.

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Post by StardoostLegend on Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:09 pm

Somebody reccomended me to use the seventh one for my build, and plain coat is an essential for me because of it's ability to set up my graveyard with heraldic beasts, along with the fact that it goes very well with genome, also eale is great for rank 4 xyz that need 3 monsters like heraldry crest, and basilisk is kinda usefull in desperate times.

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Post by Flint on Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:36 pm

There is no way to setup for Rank-Up-Magic - The Seventh One other than taking a chance and maybe drawing it and using Lavalval Chain which you only run 1 of in the main deck. There is also a chance of dead drawing the card in your opening hand and remaining useless for the entire duel as it sits there. I understand Number 18: Heraldic Progenintor Plain-Coat is supposed to setup the field but having more than 2 seems excessive along with having more than 2 Number 8: Heraldic King Genom-Heritage and you're limiting your toolbox potential when you put multiple copes of the same card in the extra deck. Heraldic Beast Eale has it's job out beaten by Heraldic Beast Amphisbaena. Heraldic Beast Basilisk it outwitted by D.D. Warrior Lady who has more ATK, banishes and is searchable through ROTA. Or alternatively use Bull Blader who has an effect where neither player takes battle damage from the battle and it is also searchable by ROTA. Random note, Kachi Kochi Dragon has become very out of date.

The Side Deck is horrid, it acknowledges nothing of the meta and uses outdated cards like Level Limit - Area B and what I think is Level Limit - Area A although I can't tell from the poor quality of the screenshot. Along with the fact that the side deck isn't even complete. Also, why do you have a second copy of Rank-Up-Magic - The Seventh One in the side deck when you already have a copy in the main deck? Rank-Up-Magic - The Seventh One's effect can only be activate once per duel so have another copy is a waste of space. Lastly the Extra Deck is filled with unnecessary cards; just because you see something that shares the same title as the archetype doesn't make good. Number 69: Heraldry Crest is mediocre. Number C69: Heraldry Crest of Horror is actually a good card but the way you built your deck, it seems like you would very rarely bring out that card. Having double Number 101: Silent Honor ARK and a copy of Number C101: Silent Honor DARK limits other toolbox potential to other cards like Castel, the Skyblaster Musketeer, Evilswarm Exciton Knight, Dark Rebellion Xyz Dragon, Lightning Chidori, Cairngorgon Antiluminescent Knight and Daigusto Emeral.

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Post by Flip Flapper on Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:03 am

only use seventh one if you have ways to use it when it is a dead draw, i like it in rank 4 decks that use summoner monk and in my utopia deck becuse i dont use my rank ups i discard them for utopic dragon so there it doesnt matter if i have 3 seventh one becuse i never use my rank ups, its in thoose kinds of decks seventh one can be the most effective from my experience

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Post by Kira Yoshikage on Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:20 pm

Drop the Seventh one for Numeron Force. Cut the Heraldry Changes in favor of a Dimensional Prison and Mirror Force. 3 of the Field card seems overkill, drop one of it in favor of a Raigeki, Book of Moon, Forbidden Lance, Dark Hole or Snatch Steal. My final recommendation is to cut the Call of the Haunted for a Soul Charge. Soul Charge is much better, setting up your field so that you can beat the opponent down like hell, if not OTK next turn.

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Post by Kira Yoshikage on Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:28 pm

Cut one of the Plain Coat and two of Genome, DARK Knight and 1 ARK Knight. Trust me, you'll want at least 1 of the following, note that these are purely optional and generic: Abyss Dweller, Cairngorgon, Exciton Knight, Dark Rebellion, Emeral, Diamond Dire, Ragnazero, Blackship, Rhapsody, Maestroke, and/or Gagaga Cowboy. For the side deck I have some suggestions that you could use. Vanity's Emptiness or Kaiser Colosseum, Neo-Spacian Grand Mole, Maxx "C", Flying "C", Stygian Dirge, Shadow-Imprisoning Mirror, Light-Imprisoning Mirror, Mask of Restrict, Anti-Spell Fragrance, Chain Dispel, Thunder King Rai-Oh, 3 MST, and finally Fairy Wind.

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Post by StardoostLegend on Sun Jan 11, 2015 4:39 pm

Shadowmaster67 wrote:Drop the Seventh one for Numeron Force. Cut the Heraldry Changes in favor of a Dimensional Prison and Mirror Force. 3 of the Field card seems overkill, drop one of it in favor of a Raigeki, Book of Moon, Forbidden Lance, Dark Hole or Snatch Steal. My final recommendation is to cut the Call of the Haunted for a Soul Charge. Soul Charge is much better, setting up your field so that you can beat the opponent down like hell, if not OTK next turn.
hmm... perhaps I will drop seventh one, but I litterally rely on that field spell a lot

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Post by Kira Yoshikage on Sun Jan 11, 2015 5:07 pm

I said cut 1 copy of the Field. 3 is overkill.

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Post by StardoostLegend on Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:30 pm

what do you mean by overkill?

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Post by Kira Yoshikage on Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:45 pm

What I mean by overkill is that you don't need 3, and that 3rd field card could really prevent you from running a card like Book of Moon or Raigeki.

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